IBIS Macromodel Task Group Meeting date: 06 Mar 2007 Members (asterisk for those attending): * Ambrish Varma, Cadence Design Systems Arpad Muranyi, Intel Corp. * Barry Katz, SiSoft Bob Ross, Teraspeed Consulting Group * Doug White, Cisco Systems Ganesh Narayanaswamy, ST Micro * Hemant Shah, Cadence Design Systems * Ian Dodd, Mentor Graphics Joe Abler, IBM John Angulo, Mentor Graphics John Shields, Mentor Graphics Ken Willis, Cadence Design Systems * Kumar, Cadence Design Systems * Lance Wang, Cadence Design Systems Luis Boluna, Cisco * Michael Mirmak, Intel Corp. * Mike LaBonte, Cisco Systems Patrick O'Halloran, Tiburon Design Automation Paul Fernando, NCSU * Radek Biernacki, Agilent (EESof) * Randy Wolff, Micron Technology Richard Ward, Texas Instruments Sanjeev Gupta, Agilent Shangli Wu, Cadence Stephen Scearce, Cisco Systems Syed Huq, Cisco Systems * Todd Westerhoff, SiSoft Vikas Gupta, Xilinx * Vuk Borich, Agilent * Walter Katz, SiSoft -------------------------- Call for patent disclosure: No one declared a patent. ----- Opens: ------------- Review of ARs: - Mike document VHDL macro library and post to web site Some progress, but not yet done. - Arpad: Write parameter passing syntax proposal for a possible BIRD TBD - On hold, Arpad returns in 4 weeks - EDA vendors provide an outline of new proposal Done. Slides will be presented. ------------- New Discussion: Proposal update from EDA vendors: - Parameter syntax was already shared at DesignCon summit. - Reserved parameters vs. user-defined parameters - Reserved parameters may avoid the need to ship an executable - Agilent would like to join the proposal definition effort - There will be a session to get Agilent up to speed - Will be talking with semiconductor vendors soon (IBM and TI) - Michael Mirmak pointed out that documents must be public. - EDA vendors will submit documents soon - Agilent will hear the info sooner by joining the semconductor vendor call. - Agilent would like Cisco to be involved Outline presentation shared through LiveMeeting: - Proposed models would not be referenced by [External Model]. - Radek asked how willing IP vendors would be to offer these models. - Michael Mirmak does not know what the burden will be to do this. - EDA vendors can help. - Todd felt that there is not enough consensus on if DLL is the right way. - Vuk suggested that everything should be done in GetWave(), which should be generic and simple. - Vuk asked what is special about SerDes models? - Todd offered that the need is for fast processing using models assumed to be linear. - Vuk felt that simplicity rather than complexity would get us there. - Todd also said that they might be simple Touchstone models, which would be even simpler. - Also, clock recovery is SerDes-specific. Michael Mirmak brought up the discussion of what a general purpose simulation tool need to do. The EDA vendor group plans to create reference model source code: - This would be public domain. - The task is on the long list of things to do. ------------- No meeting next week, to give EDA vendors time for proposal work. Next meeting: 20 Mar 2007 12:00pm PT